Grab a beer and listen to this conversation between Mark and his dear friend Charles.  Charles’ family hosted Mark when he traveled to Australia in 2009 and their relationship has grown ever since.  Charles and his wife Janice run a boutique consulting firm, working with large organizations and helping to shape their culture through growing and influencing people.  Charles and Mark discuss how the pandemic is different on opposite sides of the globe and then they explore some very heady topics, including the difference between employment and work, and most notably why leaving a legacy is a big motivator for him.

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